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Some Republicans think that what the American people want is another massive legislative battle over health care. After a massive debate in 2009, a herculean legislative struggle in 2010, a divisive presidential election in 2012, followed by a national rollout that will take years to implement, the GOP seems to think folks want to do that all over again. In reverse. And then do it again with some new yet undefined GOP plan. Does anyone think the GOP politicians really have that much courage? That the electorate even wants it?

No frickin' way. Smart Republicans know it.

Republicans had their chance to enact a major health care law when Bush was in power, but they didn't. Had they done so, I seriously doubt Democrats would have had the courage, and opportunity, to do it. But they didn't and the Democrats did. They only thing they could do is try to stop Obamacare, and they failed. In Congress, at the Supreme Court, and at the ballot box in 2012. Obamacare is now a major part of the body politic and the economy for many years ahead. No serious Republican actually believes there exists the political support for another four years or more of upheaval over yet another health care battle. Make no mistake, Democrats will make it a battle for the ages.

What's more, what about that beloved "certainty" GOP corporate big shots love so much. They've got certainty now because they can see reality: Obamacare isn't going anywhere and there's no point in going down the uncertain path of repealing it and replacing it with ... something. GOP politicians are lying to their constituents. Eventually their own voters will see that and move on from Obamacare. This battle is over. They lost. They don't want another war over health care legislation.

GOP politicians have milked repeal for all it's worth. The market for it is shrinking and they don't have a new product out there. Repeal is going the way of the BlackBerry.

Originally posted to Triple-B in the Building on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 09:48 AM PDT.

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  •  Very well stated. (14+ / 0-)

    At this point, after 5 years of this crap, my first response to GOP complaints about Obamacare is to ask "Where is your plan?"


    And in those 5 years the GOP has done everything but come up with their own alternative to Obamacare that lowers costs and covers as many people as possible.

    Rub that failure in their face before they even get to complete their "Obamacare sucks because . .  x" sentence.

    My $.02. Entirely agreed on your other points

    Regulate banks, not vaginas

    by MinistryOfTruth on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 09:53:45 AM PDT

  •  Must really stick in their craw to lose to the big (3+ / 0-)

    eared community organizer.

  •  Heya BBB! (3+ / 0-)

    You talking to Republicans?

    They can't hear...

    Suddenly, it dawns on me, Earnest T. Bass is the intellectual and philosophical inspiration of the TeaParty.

    by Nebraska68847Dem on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 04:04:10 PM PDT

  •  They loved "repeal and replace" (15+ / 0-)

    because it rolled off the tongue and sounded like they knew what they were doing.  They didn't.  They don't.  They're screwed.

    the woman who is easily irritated

    by chicago minx on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 04:08:44 PM PDT

    •  They love repeal and replace (1+ / 0-)
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      Calamity Jean

      because they won't roll up their sleeves and work out any chinks in the armor; its too much work.

      And, their "solution" of replacement is a Repugs dream; it take away and strip all the progress that has been made thus far.  It will pose further financial burdens on the elderly, disabled, and low income folks, but the rich will thrive.  That is their mantra.

  •  Here's the problem, we really do want a battle (3+ / 0-)
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    and a major change with this law.  I don't think anyone here is completely happy with the ACA as it stands and we all want as close to single payer as we can get, if not single payer in its entirety.  

    I won't be happy long if the ACA stays as it is and becomes a part of American history and the battle to make it vastly improved doesn't become a campaign promise very, very soon.  This was supposed to be only a beginning and certainly not an end.  I don't think any of us saw it that way.

    I am happy with the ACA because it has given those without insurance an opportunity they didn't have before and it has made a place for single payer.   However, I can honestly say that I have never been "happy" for the ACA as it is today and do not want it to remain as it is forever.

     So I don't like the idea that the ACA is done, over with, and the law is set in stone, as if we are not going to fight very hard for a massive change in it.

    •  How would i change ACA for the better (0+ / 0-)

      1) I'd look at making Public employee health care
      an exchange rated plan. Every fed gets Platinum
      but it's run through the exchanges.

      2) i'd move DoD TriCare onto the exchanges as Platinum

      3) I'd regularize VA, DOD and IHS to the same electronic
      health records, bulk pharmaceutical purchases, bulk supply

      4) I'd come up with incentives for cities/counties to build and own their own hospitals.  

      I'd look at lowering the age for medicare and making EHR's a standard format

  •  "smart Repblicans" (6+ / 0-)

    Isn't that an oxymoron???

    Be involved!

    by ecthompson on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 04:20:10 PM PDT

  •  GOP may take the Senate (5+ / 0-)

    will keep the house. Thus the battle is not over and they need to keep losing. Winning the Senate and House would make them believe that they have a winning strategy. Thus, they need to keep losing. Democrats have to run on Obamacare

    •  2/3 of congress (3+ / 0-)
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      to override a veto.  Even if republican gain seats, no one expects them to gain that many.  Obama can be expected to veto any bill.  To quote Bush, bring it on. If the do take everything in 2018, that will be short lived if they start taking away the insurance of millions of people, not to mention the profits of insurance companies, I don't suppose the will win the midterm.

      In addition, remember that in 1993 conservatives could have been part of the health care reform process.  Instead they chose to spend $50 million dollars to write a pornographic piece of fiction.  This is why Obama pretty much knew that they would not be part of the process this time.

  •  If we don't make 2014 (7+ / 0-)

    A national campaign of, "So, what's your plan?", then something is seriously wrong with the Democratic Party.

  •  They are well and truly screwed (4+ / 0-)
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    For all that we'd have wanted Obamacare to look different in various respects, a whopping part of the political genius of the ACA is how it took ALL the Republicans' own ideas for reform, rolled them into one big ball of legislation, and then made the Republicans go on the record foaming at the mouth in opposition.

    So #1, they look like the flaming hypocrites they are, and #2, they have nothing left with which to replace or reform the law. Every reasonable idea they might otherwise have proposed is already baked in, with the Democrats getting 100% of the credit for it and the Republicans on record repeatedly hissing between their fingers and crossing themselves. They literally have nothing new to offer.

    Oh -- well, except maybe single payer or Medicare opt-in for all. Wouldn't that be rich?

    Ideology is when you think you know the answers before you know the questions.
    It infests hollow spaces where intelligence has died.

    by Alden on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 04:26:47 PM PDT

  •  Paul Ryan fessed up (8+ / 0-)

    Paul Ryan Accidentally Reveals The Truth About The GOP’s Obamacare Replacement

    House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI) admitted on Friday that Republicans would not be able to preserve the most popular elements of Obamacare if they repeal the law as a whole. Ryan’s comments come as House Republicans plan to unveil a replacement bill that will reportedly allow young adults to remain on their parents’ health care plans and provide some level of protection for individuals with pre-existing conditions.

    “If you look at these kinds of reforms, where they’ve been tried before — say the state of Kentucky, for example — you basically make it impossible to underwrite insurance,” Ryan told Bloomberg’s Al Hunt when asked if Republicans would maintain the pre-existing conditions regulations, dependent coverage extension, and other rate requirements. “You dramatically crank up the cost. And you make it hard for people to get affordable health care,” Ryan insisted.

    The former GOP vice presidential candidate also said that Republicans could offer other alternatives that would expand coverage to people without insurance and lower health care costs. “Yes, and I think there are better ways of dealing with those very serious and legitimate issues without doing it this way, because I think this is the wrong approach.”

    In 2009, Ryan offered a joint alternative with Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK), which would have taxed the full value of employer health benefits and provided refundable tax credits to help families and individuals purchase employer or nongroup coverage. Economists had predicted that equalizing the tax treatment of health care benefits could discourage businesses from offering insurance and lead at least 20 million Americans to lose their employer coverage .

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 04:30:09 PM PDT

  •  It is so so so over. (8+ / 0-)

    I thought the Holy Mary bill-pass, yesterday -- raising the definition of "part time" work from 30 to 39 hours, was a new low for Republicans.

    (The idea being that big employers can hire full-time workers for 39 hours a week and refuse them benefits, legally.)

    Now that kind of action is just really sad.

    When you think about it.

  •  Great post BBB, I found this one line funny: (2+ / 0-)
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    "GOP politicians are lying to their constituents"

    How is this any different than the standard operating Con procedure again?

    We can use this phrase to describe what Con Pols say to their constituents about the debt and deficit, the impact of gay marriage, drawing down the drug war, immigration, foreign affairs, the prospects of abortion and contraception coverage etc....basically, it must suck to be an average joe schmoe Con voter, all your Pols ever do is lie to you!!!

    "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it. If we can afford full employment killing Germans, we can afford full employment during peace-time.

    by Auburn Parks on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 04:44:50 PM PDT

  •  This will never happen. (2+ / 0-)
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    The Repugs, if they were really smart, and had the pulse of the people in their grasp, they would roll up their sleeves and make Obamacare, or if you prefer, the ACA, work even better than it does at this point in time.

    Instead of campaigning on repeal and Paul Ryan's miserable excuse for a "solution," if they campaigned on the fact that Obamacare is here to stay and we are prepared to make it better, they might have a shot.

    If they did this, the real debates could finally begin, the debates on  the real differences of philosophy of joblessness, of poverty, global warming, women's reproductive health issues and how they relate to family life and value, the middle class and the unequal disparity between corporate profits and stagnant wages in this country, the differences in opinion of our regulatory laws that protect our food, water, and this planet.

    That would be so wonderful to bring out their outmoded, outlandish, uncompromising, nonsensical solutions. All this, to the betterment of a democratic and socially responsible country.

    Right now, we are stuck on Obamacare because they refuse to face the real issues of the day.

  •  As a political strategy (1+ / 0-)
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    …Republicans are still convinced they are going to run the 2014 mid-terms on repealing the PPACA.

    All their money and energy is flowing into this.

    While I acknowledge that the well-of-civilization in the US has been poisoned by fear and loathing of one's fellow countryman -- and viewing life as a zero-sum game -- I'm convinced the anti-health-care push is a election loser.

    One thing that is really interesting -- as far as brain degeneration studies go -- is that the demographic that views "health care as a human right" and Obamacare with the most violent hatred are those USians who already have Medicare.

    Because they got theirs.

  •  "Repeal and Replace'? more like Reince & Repeat nt (8+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 04:58:32 PM PDT

  •  Maybe the ACA is the "X" factor (1+ / 0-)
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    Eric Nelson

    in the equation of how badly the GOP loses next fall. No one knows what that exact # is. OK I guess it at 2. So the Republicans could lose 2% of their voters. Think that might turn some races? Who knows at this point what the "x" factor is.

    A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

    by onionjim on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 05:08:49 PM PDT

    •  Well, you know... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...we can define and guarantee that "x factor" ourselves, rather than simply saying, "Who knows?"

      All we have to do is vote, like we did in '08 and '12. Anyone who sat out '10 and regrets the result has no excuse for flaking out this Nov.

      We actually have it in our power to make this mid-term one of record turnout. If we do, we win.

      Why the hell would anyone in their right mind throw that opportunity away?

  •  Go ahead and repeal (3+ / 0-)
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    if they propose single payer.  As if!  

    I'm sick of their fuc*ing b.s. They do not care about anything other than their own back pockets and who is putting $$ in them - big corp. They say and do whatever the puppet masters tell them to.    

  •  I hope they keep this up right to the day before (4+ / 0-)
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    Eric Nelson, Greenfinches, JeffW, Shawn87

    the mid-term election and we GOTV with this rallying cry:

    Republicans just keep voting to take away your affordable healthcare.  Now it's our turn to VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE.

    Take back the House and make the Senate stronger!!!

    Vote Democratic in November.

    GOTV and keep your affordable healthcare!

    Best. President. Ever.

    by Little Lulu on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 05:14:57 PM PDT

  •  I find this bit of understatement (7+ / 0-)

    very funny:

    Republicans had their chance to enact a major health care law when Bush was in power,
    Republicans have ALWAYS had it within their power to work out solutions to healthcare coverage for the uninsured, to fix the Medicare D donut hole, to reform insurance to get rid of abuses like cancellations, "pre-existing conditions", and such.

    They have always had the power but never showed initiative.  The Heritage plan was designed as a defense against the work the Clinton administration was doing.

    They never cared about these issues.  These issues never rose to the top of their agenda.  They never did squat except for a badly designed bandaid on prescriptions that was paid for by more deficits.

    They resisted every step of the way FOR DECADES.  And that is what also makes their sputtering nonsense about repeal and "replace" just as funny.

    I'm not liberal. I'm actually just anti-evil, OK? - Elon James White

    by Satya1 on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 05:17:33 PM PDT

  •  But Democrats must vote (6+ / 0-)

    Elections do not just happen every 4 years. In Houston city elections come in odd-numbered years, so I have an election every year.

    Censorship is rogue government.

    by scott5js on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 05:26:08 PM PDT

  •  So you think the Coburn/Burr/Hatch PCA won't be.. (2+ / 0-)
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    ..brought forth even as a tea party last gasp 2010 re-dux?

    The PCA: "the Patient Care Act" even though it is a sham of a plan that eliminates two of the most popular provisions in the PPACA;
     • 26 years olds now kicked of parents plan (along with millions more) and

     • insurance companies allowed to deny coverage for those with "pre-conditions"

     Because as Paul Ryan said those two provisions are "too expensive"

    I almost hope you're wrong BBB (just for 2014 & maybe even 2016 - that is) - but at this point, and looking beyond at the rate of enrollment, it would be too much stupidity even for the GOP to carry this any further.

    Because this, a shortened clip:
    Tweety (Chris Mathews) with Joan Walsh watching  Karl Rove and his white board, Bill Kristol smug & wrong and other GOP fail:

    (short cad - sorry)  
    Link to full segment:

    and more just to grind the GOP into dust.

  •  At all townhalls hosted by R's (1+ / 0-)
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    On a twist of, "What did you know and when did you know it?"

    Mr/Ms R CongressCritter, when did you first realize you are (were?) wrong on the basic success of the ACA, and when did you first admit it?

    And could you stand in the good light and speak clearly so your squirming shows well on YouTube.  Please proceed.

    The only reason the 1% are rich is because the 99% agree they are.

    by GreatLakeSailor on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 05:39:44 PM PDT

  •  What is a.. (2+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, Dbug


    Is that like one of these new-fangled "cell phones" I've been hearing about?

    I'll NEVER give up my land-line....

    "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

    by CanisMaximus on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 05:55:32 PM PDT

  •  I'm less sanguine about this Nov... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...but do think it's about time Dems run to, run on, and run for, the ACA; they need to embrace & espouse it. Relentlessly!

    No one wins elections by letting one's opponent define them, while they run & hide from the definition. You stand tall, own the truth, double down in it's correctness, and go on the offensive with your opponents very attack points. You spin the tables!

    Even if you don't win the battle, you've at least muddied the waters enough to play to a draw, which is far better than many Dems have done with the current GOP ACA messaging.

    Time to show some spine...

  •  They won't stop ... (3+ / 0-)
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    Whining is all they know how to do.

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