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U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) addresses reporters after meeting with President Barack Obama at the White House in Washington, October 10, 2013. Reid expressed caution on Thursday about a short-term debt ceiling increase plan that Republica

Sen. Susan Collins is reportedly looking for compromise on the minimum wage—if Democrats accept a smaller increase than they've been looking for and give Republicans a variety of other sweeteners, Collins would try to bring a few members of her party on board. There are just a few small problems with that: Democrats don't want to give things away in exchange for a minimum wage that still leaves working families in poverty, and there's no real reason to believe Collins could get enough Republicans to support such a plan.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is not negotiating down:

“No, there are none. Nope,” Reid told reporters following a minimum-wage rally with union members and other Democratic leaders. “The reason we picked that number, $10.10, gets you out of poverty — $10 doesn’t. $10.05 doesn’t. We didn’t pick that number just to be fun.” The current federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour.
And the allegedly semi-moderate-at-some-times Republicans who are supporting the Senate's unemployment aid compromise are firmly against raising the minimum wage:
“I would not be going along with a compromise. If that came to a vote, I would oppose it,” said Sen. Mark Kirk (Ill.), one of five Republicans who last week crafted a bipartisan deal on unemployment benefits.

Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.), who spearheaded the negotiations on unemployment assistance, said the minimum wage is an issue best left to the states instead of the federal government. [...]

Sen. Rob Portman (Ohio), another centrist Republican who supported this week’s agreement on unemployment benefits, said he would not be inclined to support a minimum wage compromise.

“I don’t think so. Ohio has a higher minimum wage actually indexed to inflation,” he said.

Ohio’s minimum wage is $7.95 an hour.

$7.95 an hour works out to just over $16,500 for a year of full-time work, so Ohio has not exactly licked the problem of people working hard but still living in poverty. And if the minimum wage was truly left to the states, South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Louisiana would have no minimum wage at all.

So Democrats have absolutely no reason to compromise down, engaging in a still-futile effort to get Republicans to agree to even a tiny, poverty-level increase. Better to organize around the right policy and fight to make that happen in the long run than show weakness, then fail, in the short run.

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  •  Looks like.. (8+ / 0-)

    Harry Reid took some Skele-Gro for his spine. Good to see. If only he'd done that in 2009 during the health care debate...

    TX-17 (Bill Flores-R), TX Sen-14 (Kirk Watson-D), TX HD-50 (Celia Israel-D). Senate ratings map (as of 3/10/14)

    by Le Champignon on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 07:27:32 AM PDT

  •  I do admit that I was wondering why... (11+ / 0-)

    ...they went with $10.10 instead of $10 even or whatever. It's just such a specific number. I assumed they tacked on the extra $0.10 for psychological reasons or whatever. Glad to hear there was sound economic reasoning behind it...

    •  Spreadsheets are a blessing and a curse...nt (0+ / 0-)

      I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

      by JML9999 on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 07:34:08 AM PDT

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    •  I wondered if it was a counterpoint to 9-9-9 (nt) (3+ / 0-)
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      And God said, "Let there be light"; and with a Big Bang, there was light. And God said "Ow! Ow My eyes!" and in a flash God separated light from darkness. "Whew! Now that's better. Now where was I. Oh yea . . ."

      by Pale Jenova on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 07:34:11 AM PDT

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    •  I find that interesting too (2+ / 0-)
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      Justanothernyer, Penny GC

      except I can't figure out how he got that number.

      Is it based on a family of 3 or 4?  I can't find the right number from the 2013 guidelines that appear to match $10.10.

      Oh well, the hazards of being a data geek.

      I'm not liberal. I'm actually just anti-evil, OK? - Elon James White

      by Satya1 on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:06:34 AM PDT

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      •  I really can't see basing the minimum (3+ / 0-)
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        bananapouch1, flowerfarmer, AlexDrew

        wage on having a family. Raise it enough to bring a single person out of poverty. Not trying to sound Republican here, but if you want to raise a family, you need to find a job that pays more than a minimum wage, or get your wife to work, too. Having kids is a decision that should be made once you are financially able to do so. (in a perfect world)

        •  Sure, it "should" be a decision made once you're (1+ / 0-)
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          financially able to do so, but can ANYONE ever be certain they'll be financially able for the next 18+ years of raising the kid? Shouldn't a woman who is suddenly a single parent for any number of reasons be able to make enough money to raise her kids? Sometimes when you have kids to take care of and in school, the only job you can get is one that pays minimum wage, either because your husband used to support the family and you've suddenly had to get a job, or because of schedule constraints.

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          by FloridaSNMOM on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 09:34:51 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah but the problem (1+ / 0-)
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          is that the term "poverty" and it's definition is so skewed in D.C. that what they consider "poverty" for a family of four is actually what we SHOULD consider to be poverty for a single person.

           Imagine trying to raise a family of three or four on $10.10 per hour. It's shameful that we allow the bar to be set so low.

        •  I'm just looking for the numbers from which (0+ / 0-)

          Reid gets his remark,

          $10.10, gets you out of poverty — $10 doesn’t. $10.05 doesn’t.
          However on the point you bring up see FloridaSNMOM's good points about single parent families and life's uncertainties...

          I think "in a perfect world" kind of sums up the operative phrase.  For the working poor, the "perfect world" is more elusive than for most DK readers.  There's a lot stacked against them.

          Also at minimum wage a full-time job brings in a net of about $52 per 8 hour day maybe.  (Gross at min wage in IL is $66/day)  The cost of daycare would be $35-40 (IL), depending on a number of factors.  When it comes to a calculation of either working min. wage and trusting your children to others for maybe $10-15 per day ($200-300/month) there isn't a clear advantage.

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          by Satya1 on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 10:52:37 AM PDT

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    •  $10.10/Hr X 2000 Hr/Year = $20,200.00 BEFORE Taxes (1+ / 0-)
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      Still poverty wages. That means take home is around 18,000 for the year. There is a reason why all the people who work in Manhattan do not live in Manhattan.

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      by Tool on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:45:48 AM PDT

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  •  Good news but that is always the risk (2+ / 0-)
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    of starting out with a reasonable and defensible position, you get bargained down. This could be the issue where the Senate breaks the filibuster rule on substantive legislation. But Reed will not do it if he thinks it will be for naught because it won't get a vote in the House. It could pass in the House but Boehner will not allow a vote, at least for now.

    Further, affiant sayeth not. 53959

    by Gary Norton on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 07:30:28 AM PDT

    •  I dunno (3+ / 0-)
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      Boehner has broken the Hastert Rule at least once in the last three years. He has been known to crack in the face of overwhelming public scrutiny. Will this case be another one?

      Fifty-fifty. My best guess.

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      by DaddyO on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 07:36:09 AM PDT

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      •  Yes he has and we can hope, but this is not must (1+ / 0-)
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        pass legislation, like all the others. This is discretionary and flies against Republican, not just Radical Republican (AKA tea party) doctrine. The only hope is if there is a major vocal shift with the business community.

        Further, affiant sayeth not. 53959

        by Gary Norton on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 07:40:19 AM PDT

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  •  How long before it kicks in? (7+ / 0-)

    Forget about 'compromise' on how much it will be raised. Will the Democrats give the poor suffering Wal-marts and MacDonalds' franchises one, two or five years to spread out the pain?

    Like last time? It took at least three years or more to raise the minimum two dollars. One small lift at a time. I remember. I was there. Getting paid that minimum wage.

    "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

    by DaddyO on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 07:32:54 AM PDT

  •  If the 500k "Jobs Lost" figure is accurate (1+ / 0-)
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    then this becomes a tradeoff of helping 12 some odd million vs the potential impacted 500k,this sad state of affairs.

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    by JML9999 on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 07:33:01 AM PDT

    •  Here's a good write up on that (2+ / 0-)
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      http://www.thenation.com/...

      Most economists don't think that it would cost jobs, but some do.  The CBO doesn't do it's own study, but rather tries to find a consensus in the existing literature.

      •  more like two economists employed by the White (1+ / 0-)
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        House think say most economists don't think that it would costs jobs.  Some other economists think the CBO was too "conservative"  in its estimates.

        The honest answer is, that at the moment the CBO seems to be the best answer around.  It should be noted though that the CBO study is a range, not a point estimate.

        The broader point is that most policy choices involve tradeoffs.  

      •  The biggest problem is people making $15-$20 per (1+ / 0-)
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        hour will also be getting an automatic raise.

        This affects millions more workers than the ones actually getting minimum wage... and that, in turn, affects how many jobs it will cost.

        Labor contracts are often tied to the law

        as for:

        Most economists don't think that it would cost jobs, but some do.
        Depends where you read that.. your article says:
        Several economists Tuesday, including Jason Furman and Betsy Stevenson at the White House, stressed that the CBO report doesn’t match the “consensus view” of economists.
        The WSJ article linked above says:
        even though the overwhelming majority of scholarly evidence says that these wage increases have a negative effect on employment.
        So..who knows?  everyone has an agenda these days.. who can you trust?
        •  Who can you trust? Certainly not concern trolls (0+ / 0-)

          who take every opportunity to spread right wing talking points.
          Your comment history is replete with them.  Anti-minimum wage, anti-climate change, anti-choice, anti-Obamacare, anti-Democratic party.  

          It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

          by Radiowalla on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:41:02 AM PDT

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          •  Are you still following me around? (1+ / 0-)
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            Is stalking ok with you?

            So.. let me ask you a question..  Is the Wall Street Journal a not-approved reference for you?

            Are the facts noted in that article completely irrelevant to the comment I was answering?  I would say they address the subject directly and add some much needed background to the discussion.

            So.. I tell you what.. please don't comment on my comments unless you have something useful to say.. if I am wrong, say so.  If not...

            •  If you are "concerned," you can report it. (0+ / 0-)

              You have come here to disrupt discussions by dropping your right wing talking points which are always anti-Democratic party, anti-climate change, anti-choice, anti-minimum wage, anti-Obamacare.  If you can make a point against progressive policies, you do.  You do it with more finesse than most trolls, I'll give you credit for that.

              It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

              by Radiowalla on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 09:04:41 AM PDT

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  •  Rob Portman is... (5+ / 0-)

    ...considered a "centrist" now?  

    If there was any doubt how badly the Overton window has shifted, that's it.

    •  Precisely and the voters in OH plus Voters in IL (1+ / 0-)
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      need to be reminded of how Portman has voted and how Kirk has voted and that they both opposed raising of the minimum wage.

      We know Illinois is a not a red state and no way should Kirk get another term in the Senate and OH can do better than Portman even if it is a swing state. We have seen with enough GOTV, OH does vote for Democrats.

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      by wishingwell on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:13:46 AM PDT

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    •  His son is gay. (2+ / 0-)
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      That's enough to be considered a centrist today.

  •  Every pol who opposes a minimum wage hike (13+ / 0-)

    (or a minimum wage) needs to be put on the spot with a camera and mic in their face and forced to admit that, yes, they are perfectly fine with their constituents and supporters in X state/district working full time and still living in poverty. That that is a good thing, in their opinion, and they support it. Period.  

    No garbled excuses about small business and freedumb and something something wtfwhoknows. Raising the minimum wage to at least $10.10 is so elementary, those opposing it needs to own that position and explain, to their voters and constituents, precisely why.

    •  Yes and whomever runs against people like Portman (2+ / 0-)
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      and Kirk need to use these statements, get these people to say these things on camera and make some ads. As I said above, no reason for blue Illinois to give Kirk another term and same with Portman in OH.

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      by wishingwell on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:14:56 AM PDT

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    •  Yes, indeed, please go on (3+ / 0-)
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      and tell us why

      • No increase in the minimum wage
      • No health care
      • No SNAP food stamps
      • No union rights
      • Cooking the Earth
      • No extended unemployment benefits
      • Not being able to vote
      • Unlimited campaign contributions for billionaires

      are so good for us.
      Wish you'd stop bein' so good to me, cap'n.
      Cool Hand Luke

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:20:08 AM PDT

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  •  Republican Senators know who (3+ / 0-)
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    keeps the gravy train rolling. No need to offend their corporate masters or the Koch Bros.

    And in their definition of free enterprise, businesses should have the freedom to pay as little as possible for wages.

    "The future belongs to those who give the next generation reason for hope." -- Pierre Teilhard de Chardi

    by Frank In WA on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 07:40:06 AM PDT

  •  $10.10 (3+ / 0-)
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    This should be made into a bumper sticker.  This is so simple that even Republicans could understand it.

  •  the other problem with compromising (9+ / 0-)

    with slimy creatures like Susan Collins is that...when you do compromise with them, changing a piece of legislation to meet their specific demands...they still vote against it any way (does the term Affordable Care Act mean ring any bells here).

    Collins and her co-conspirators are constantly looking for ways to undermine everything...putting forth what seem to be reasonable "compromises."

    In the past, when Democrats have been hoodwinked by dishonest politicians like Collins, they have had their legislation weakened by compromising with Republicans only to have Republicans vote against the weaker bill anyway.

    Hopefully, Shenna Bellows can expose how truly slimy and dishonest Susan Collins is and has been...with the People of Maine and the entire U.S.

    •  Collins, Kirk and their crew always pretend to be (1+ / 0-)
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      wdrath

      moderates and pretend to be bipartisan but when the rubber hits the road, they most often side with the GOP and back the GOP and campaign for the GOP.

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      by wishingwell on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:17:22 AM PDT

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    •  Susan Collins is safe for reelection. (1+ / 0-)
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      AlexDrew

      Winning by 18 points in a Democratic wave year like 2008. As long as Collins doesn't start talking about how rape doesn't lead to pregnancy, she should be fine.

  •  When will we face facts? (2+ / 0-)
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    1) Harry says a lot of things.2) It can't pass the House period. 3) It can't pass the Senate because of DEMOCRATS who will try to slice the price down to $8 an hour. 4) The bill can't get anywhere because it started in the WHITE house by a BLACK man. That is and has been the reason for our lack of any progress on anything and Obama has only recently realized his advisors were amongst the haters. Didn't allow Single payer, didn't chop up banks, didn't stop drilling, didn't eliminate subsidies to OIL, signed more leases, approved more Nuclear, dribbled a bit to Solar and wind, and passed Lilly Ledbetter without jobs to be filled. Our progressive Black President is a surprisingly right wing crass politician. THo ONLY thing this bill does is get a vote in the SENATE showing who is against a higher minimum wage and it will backfire when people see 6 or 8 Democrats vote against ANY raise.

    •  Face facts? (1+ / 0-)
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      wishingwell

      I'm amused how you go from nothing can get done because "it started in the WHITE house by a BLACK man", to the president is "a surprisingly right wing crass politician".
      He hasn't got as much done as we'd like because of racism, proving he's right wing?

      I do agree that this bill is largely symbolic, since it won't go anywhere in the House. That doesn't mean it isn't useful politically and politic success might allow actual changes in the long run. It sucks that's the best we can aim for, but that's reality.

      The Empire never ended.

      by thejeff on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:05:23 AM PDT

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  •  And $10.10 barely does that (1+ / 0-)
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    When was the last time anyone in Congress worked for minimum wage? They're clueless. For pete's sake, the raise to $10.10 takes a couple of YEARS to implement. By that time, who the hell knows what they'll try to do with it.

    Honestly, $10.10 is barely lifting anyone out of poverty, particularly if they're working part-time.

    That said, I wouldn't be against a tiered system in which a teenager working part-time while still in school gets a lower wage that $10.10 if he's living at home or otherwise receiving most of his daily support from family. I mean, I'm not sure my 19-year-old son, who works in the summer when he's home from college, should really make as much as the full-time primary breadwinner who's making minimum wage to support a family.

    But if that teenager is 19 and living on his own, working and putting himself through school, that's a different story.

    I guess it would be complicated to implement.

    •  And the problem would be (0+ / 0-)

      Firing people who are older, on their own and/or have dependents in order to hire the cheaper teenagers. Or at least making it much harder for them to get even low-end jobs, since they could alway be replaced with cheaper kids.

      The Empire never ended.

      by thejeff on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:00:18 AM PDT

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      •  Write the fix into the law (1+ / 0-)
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        Germany has had tiered employment wages for decades. Works fine. Teenagers get paid less. Their laws PROTECT older workers from that exact scenario. And they enjoy the strongest economy in Europe, one of the strongest in the world.

        America is filled with dupes. Religiously insane rubes. Hundreds of millions of intellectual morons who could no sooner vote in their own interests than act in them. Our nation is simply a cash cow for the richest people on Earth, and nothing much more at this point.

        "America's not a country--it's a BUSINESS."

        --Brad Pitt, "Killing Them Softly"

        "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

        by DaddyO on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:41:43 AM PDT

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    •  What is it? 50% of congress is millionaires? (1+ / 0-)
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      Think about the baby Jesus. Up in that tower, letting His hair down so that the three wise men could climb up and spin the dreidle and see if there's six more weeks of winter. -- Will and Grace

      by Rikon Snow on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:08:06 AM PDT

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    •  Yes it often depends how many hours a person (0+ / 0-)

      gets too as a lot of companies and stores and other businesses are only hiring part time workers.  My husband works in retail and 14 yrs ago, easily got fulltime the day he applied. Now the store does not hire any fulltime employees, only promotes part time to fulltime from within.  

      I have a friend who has worked at Walmart for almost 20 yrs and they no longer hire fulltime at her store, only part time.  She says she would quit Walmart tomorrow but she is lucky to have a desk job in the office now and she can retire in a couple of years. But she had fulltime all along but in the past 2 yrs, no full time hired from the outside.

      A lot of businesses only are hiring part time and therefore, 10 dollars an hour does not go far. I have a friend who makes about 13 dollars an hour doing merchandising but all the jobs are part time ...she is lucky to get 20 hours a week and she is in bad financial shape.

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      by wishingwell on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:21:58 AM PDT

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    •  If you want kids to be able to work their way (2+ / 0-)
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      through college, you had better support a real minimum wage for them.

      That's assuming that there is a college available to them that you can work your way through, perhaps a public college in a state that hasn't trashed public education.

      The Republican Party cannot crash and burn soon enough. But they will in their own time.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:25:40 AM PDT

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      •  Need way more than $10.10 for that (2+ / 0-)
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        Where I live, you would need to earn about $17/hour to cover tuition, fees and books at the big state university in town. That’s assuming you worked 20 hours per week averaged over the whole year. That includes zero for living expenses. Someone truly working their way through with no family support would need at least $24/hour to cover everything.

        So yeah, working your way through school is a quaint anachronism for most students now.  

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        by Joe Bob on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 09:05:21 AM PDT

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        •  When I was in college (0+ / 0-)

          it was fairly common for scholarship students to get enough to cover expenses if they had a bursary job at the school during the school year, and worked summers. So that's one possibility.

          Another is community college.

          Another is a GI bill, where you want to have a part-time job to cover anything beyond tuition, room, and board.

          In all of those situations, we want a minimum wage, and we also want full employment, union rights, and the rest of the package. Going back to free tuition at state colleges and universities would help a lot. Preferably not only in-state, but with some kind of reciprocity between states.

          Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

          by Mokurai on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 02:31:46 PM PDT

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  •  A $10.10 minimum wage is anti-Christian. (2+ / 0-)
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    Three out of four of the Gospels agree: the poor will always be with you.  A minimum wage that takes people out of poverty is nothing but government oppression of Christians.

    It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

    by Rich in PA on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 07:56:10 AM PDT

    •  Good snark, there. (0+ / 0-)

      The book of desert fantasies says quite a bit - a lot of it contradictory, much of it in the Old Testament downright evil.

      As to that specific quote, that we'll always have people who are less well off, the Bible doesn't end that statement with a "So don't even try to help and kick them in the face whenever possible."  In fact, there's a lot of statements about the duty to help those less well off.

      •  There's not much about progressivism... (0+ / 0-)

        ...in the Old Testament that is 'downright evil'.

        The God of Moses commanded his Israelites to welcome the immigrant, even into their homes, to adopt them and treat them as family, to set free debtors and slaves after seven years, to leave the crop waste on the ground for the poor and the birds, and not scrape up every last wheat grain for the bottom line, among plenty of other philanthropic commands that are completely ignored in today's technologically advanced era of agriculture and industrialization...

        Sure, you're right about the downright evil of stoning adulterers, gays and gluttonous children and alcoholics. But fiscally speaking, the Lord God was one mighty generous person. As usual, it's the 'interpretation' by the masses where the message is hopelessly lost.

        "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

        by DaddyO on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:47:58 AM PDT

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  •  $9.99 was already taken. NT (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Minimum wage and the ACA (2+ / 0-)
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    Conservatives say that the ACA will encourage employers to cut hours so they won't have to pay for health insurance. Data has actual shown some may work less because they don't need employer provided health insurance.

    Fun fact. Working 29 hours at 10.10 actually earns a bit more in wages than 40 hours at current federal minimum.

    It has long been my thinking that many of the current economic problems result from the employee seeing little benifits from incredible gains in effeciency over the past 30 year.  Part of the solution is to lower the work week towards 30 hours as well as raising minimum wage to $11.

    This was done in the 20th century vid a vis child labor laws, the 40 hour work week, all to help lower unemployment, as well as the minimum wage.

  •  It's so sad. (4+ / 0-)
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    Think about the millions of minimum wage earners who vote Republican.

    I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them. Adlai E. Stevenson

    by shoeless on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:05:25 AM PDT

    •  Yes voting against their own interests, I remember (3+ / 0-)
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      my granddad talking about people voting against their own interests way back in the 60s. He said it was going on for a long time and it was always a problem. But the thing is he said that most of the coal miners in the union were solid Democrats back then. Pap died in 1985 and I am glad he did not live to see all the union busting and what has happened to workers in America since then.

      I remember him warning people that Reagan would bust unions and he would move the country to the right and it would be disastrous for decades to come. As usual, Pap was right.   Pap is the one who got me involved in GOTV and volunteering for Democrats and pro union. It is in my blood. I started volunteering for Democrats in 1976 and never stopped.

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      by wishingwell on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:27:18 AM PDT

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  •  $10.10/Hr X 2000 Hr/Year = $20,200.00 BEFORE Taxes (2+ / 0-)
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    $15.00/Hr X 2000 Hr/Year = $30,000.00/Yr. BEFORE Taxes

    Those Millionaires in Congress don't know what a livable wage is.

    (I live in teabagger heaven where adults do jobs I did as a kid to earn money -- paperboy, snow shoveller, leaf raker, lawn mower, errand boy, babysitter, math tutor, strawberry picker, corn detassler, Christmas tree trimmer, etc. -- plus I was an unpaid 6th grade Safety Patrol crossing guard which adults now do for pay, and I collected soft drink bottles discarded along the side the road for recycling getting 2 cents for the small clear glass ones and 5 cents for the big clear glass ones.  My life savings were gone with the bill for my 1st sememster of college tuition, and I had been a miserly kid buying US Savings Bond stamps to save for college.)

    •  Sounds much like my first semester (0+ / 0-)

      In 1988, the summer between high school and college I had a job pouring concrete. Somewhat better than minimum wage but an extremely physically demanding job. Every other week my mother would take my paycheck and put it in the bank and give me back $20 for pocket money. Three months of that work covered one tuition payment and I had $300 left over for fall semester spending money.

      Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

      by Joe Bob on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 09:11:44 AM PDT

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  •  A good move by Harry, $10.10 with no compromise (0+ / 0-)

    He knows that any increase in any amount will never pass the Republican House.

    So he might as well ask for what we say is the necessary minimum without watering it down, since even a watered down version will never pass the House.

    And starting out higher, say $12.00, with the idea of giving him room to negotiate it down, is pointless, since the Repubs will never agree to any increase.  Normally, in a real negotiation, you should never start by offering your bottom line (although I doubt this is really a bottom line, Dems would probably take any significant increase in the minimum wage), but this is not a real negotiation.  And since this is really a fight for public opinion, not a negotiation, starting too high will lose the Dems some voters on the number and make it look more like political trading rather than a battle over principle.  Not that I think trading and compromise are bad (that is how progress is made) , but I think much of the naive public looks down on it and wants its pols to stand on principle.

    So all in all I think it is a good move and a good explanation by Harry.

    •  How did that work out in Seatle in terms of turnin (0+ / 0-)

      off voters by starting out at 15$?

      “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.” George Orwell

      by Tool on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:39:47 AM PDT

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      •  That was a local rate, not a federal rate (0+ / 0-)

        Individual blue states and cities may be able to politically support a higher minimum wage, but not purple and red states.  If a more progressive state or city wants to go higher, fine, but what will sell in Seattle won't sell in Peoria.

  •  This is why the conversation should have started (0+ / 0-)

    at 22$ (which is what the min wage should be if it kept up with productivity and inflation) - or 15$ respectably which would boost a lot of people struggling to repay student loans, escape out of debt, and have a sliver of the "american" dream. Starting the conversation at 10.10 is a political loser because the republicans will and have said no to everything. It does no harm to start the negotiations in our favor and then move backwards a little. 10.10 is so low that Reid has little or no wiggle room at all to try and be reasonable. If they had proposed 15 - we would be talking about 12 or 13. But alas I don't have billions to have that message enacted.  

    “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.” George Orwell

    by Tool on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:31:11 AM PDT

  •  Begging for scraps. (1+ / 0-)
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    It is so disheartening to see Democrats begging for scraps.

    Four hundred dollars a week, for a forty hour week.

    That was the union scale for a carpenter's helper thirty five years ago, when gas was $1.25 a gallon.  

  •  Once again, the democrats start the negotiations.. (1+ / 0-)
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    … at the real number. They need to learn from the republicans and ask for $17 an hour, and then negotiate down to $12 an hour. $10.10 is the base, you don't start there, Harry!

  •  Who cares how many Senators she can bring? (1+ / 0-)
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    Call me when she gets members of the GOP House to back it (and be willing to file a discharge petition to force a vote).

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    by dopper0189 on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:39:57 AM PDT

  •  Heller's comment is especially idiotic (1+ / 0-)
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    Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.), who spearheaded the negotiations on unemployment assistance, said the minimum wage is an issue best left to the states instead of the federal government. [...]
    Sure, let’s leave it to the states so big businesses have another tool to coerce state governments into least-common-denominator policies and squeeze out corporate welfare subsidies. “Don’t raise the minimum wage or we will move operations to South Bumfuck, Mississippi!” “Give us a huge tax abatement or we will move 1000 jobs to where the minimum wage is lower!”

    Or wait…if you’re a Republican maybe that’s a feature, not a bug.

    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

    by Joe Bob on Fri Apr 04, 2014 at 08:43:20 AM PDT

  •  No you picked that number to look good while... (1+ / 0-)
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    still shortchanging the low end workers and continue paying them 1/2 what they are entitled to.

    The minimum wage, in order to simply MATCH the productivity gains and inflation from the 1960's require a minimum wage of $20/hour.

    We aren't even talking about recompensing these workers who have been shortchanged for 50 YEARS, where is the Trillion$ in money owed to the under paid? Oh, yeah, it is in the bank accounts, mansions, and yachts of the Filthy Rich (tm).

    Minimum wage $20, Citizen Stipend (Milty Freidman's Negative Income Tax) of $30,000 PER CITIZEN as of their 18th birthday. Paid for out of the hides and tax havens of the filthy rich.

    Combined with a one time Surtax on the 1% of $20 Trillion to compensate the US Treasury for all the taxes avoided in the last 30 years, to invest in infrastructure, make up for stolen pension monies, fully fund Soc Sec, etc.

    I know, when pigs fly .... but if you don't push for what you are due, you won't even get a fraction of it.

  •  10.10 gets you out of poverty???? (2+ / 0-)
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    hardly....maybe before taxes are taken out!!! Once taxes are taken out....we are right back to where we started!!! When was the last time you lived on $10 an hour, Harry???  Since the greedy GOP doesn't want it anyway....and doesn't listen to anything the people have to say....let's just put it on the ballot in November for everyone to vote on!!

  •  What difference does it make? (0+ / 0-)

    After price increases the poverty level will find a higher level. Greed has a way of doing that to people; you make more, they want more.
    People can complain about inflation but it is their own greed that is driving it, and you know the corporations are going to take full advantage.

    No country can be both ignorant and free - Thomas Jefferson

    by fjb on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 03:04:50 PM PDT

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  •  Minimum wage (0+ / 0-)

    Why are the Republicans opposed to a hike in the minimum wage? Why are they opposed to eliminating prior-existing health conditions? Why are they against appropriate welfare for those in need? Why are they so opposed to public campaign financing? Why are they opposed to moral voting rights for people of all colors? Why are they opposed to proper gun control? Why are they opposed to health-care for ALL Americans? Why are they opposed to Head Start programs and the SNAP program? Why are they opposed to anti-bigotry viewpoints?
    Hey Jenna, you sound like a snake oil salesperson.

    The Republicans stand for status quo, Why is that the absolute truth of their positions.

  •  There is no reason why minimum wage... (0+ / 0-)

    cannot be adjusted for inflation, just like thousands of other things are.

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